Bust your altitude and it makes the papers (or the Drudge Report, in this
case):

http://www.wokr13.tv/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=A4E8D35C-E98C-4449-
B718-22EEF76AE40A

Morgan Freeman was flying into TEB (in a turbine I presume since he says he
was coming down to 3000 from FL210) and it appears he got his clearance
confused with the approach procedure which had a step-down at 2000. I
presume he'll be back in the air again soon after some remedial training.

-cwk.

I particularly like this quote:


The actor explains, "I'm being censored by the FAA and they're going
to ground me. The hardest thing about flying is holding altitude. It's
a three-dimensional effort."

End of quote.






On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:11:04 GMT, "C Kingsbury"
> wrote:

>Bust your altitude and it makes the papers (or the Drudge Report, in this
>case):
>
>http://www.wokr13.tv/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=A4E8D35C-E98C-4449-
>B718-22EEF76AE40A
>
>Morgan Freeman was flying into TEB (in a turbine I presume since he says he
>was coming down to 3000 from FL210) and it appears he got his clearance
>confused with the approach procedure which had a step-down at 2000. I
>presume he'll be back in the air again soon after some remedial training.
>
>-cwk.
>

In article >,
> wrote:
>
>The actor explains, "I'm being censored by the FAA and they're going
>to ground me. The hardest thing about flying is holding altitude. It's
>a three-dimensional effort."

I hope that's a transcription error and he said he was being _censured_
by the FAA.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:38:56 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:

>In article >,
> > wrote:
>>
>>The actor explains, "I'm being censored by the FAA and they're going
>>to ground me. The hardest thing about flying is holding altitude. It's
>>a three-dimensional effort."
>
>I hope that's a transcription error and he said he was being _censured_
>by the FAA.


These days, you can never be sure.

C Kingsbury wrote:

> Bust your altitude and it makes the papers (or the Drudge Report, in this
> case):
>
> http://www.wokr13.tv/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=A4E8D35C-E98C-4449-
> B718-22EEF76AE40A
>
> Morgan Freeman was flying into TEB (in a turbine I presume since he says he
> was coming down to 3000 from FL210) and it appears he got his clearance
> confused with the approach procedure which had a step-down at 2000. I
> presume he'll be back in the air again soon after some remedial training.
>
> -cwk.
>
>

Holding altitude is the hardest part of flying? If he really believes
this, then he definitely needs some remedial training.


Matt

> wrote in message
...
> I particularly like this quote:
>
>
> The actor explains, "I'm being censored by the FAA and they're going
> to ground me. The hardest thing about flying is holding altitude. It's
> a three-dimensional effort."

My instrument students mastering BAI would agree. Holding altitude didn't
seem to be his problem; adhering to clearances did, however.

"C Kingsbury" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
ink.net...
> Bust your altitude and it makes the papers (or the Drudge Report, in this
> case):
>
http://www.wokr13.tv/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=A4E8D35C-E98C-4449-
> B718-22EEF76AE40A
> Morgan Freeman was flying into TEB (in a turbine I presume since he says
he
> was coming down to 3000 from FL210) and it appears he got his clearance
> confused with the approach procedure which had a step-down at 2000. I
> presume he'll be back in the air again soon after some remedial training.
> -cwk.
>j

just being curious when reading that from over here in austria..
are the faa really that strict and ground you for being at not a cleared
altitude - for whatever reason?

regards
wolfgang
FTLOWW 081000Z 081812 33004KT 1500 SCT005 BKN008 TEMPO 2109 0600 FZFG VV002
TEMPO 0006 -DZ BECMG 0911 4000 BR= ifr-weather;-)

"Wolfgang K." wrote:
>
> just being curious when reading that from over here in austria..
> are the faa really that strict and ground you for being at not a cleared
> altitude - for whatever reason?

It depends on the situation. If your altitude excursion does not cause a
problem for ATC, the controller most likely won't write you up. He may if he
has to move other aircraft around because you busted your altitude
assignment. He definitely will if your mistake causes a loss of separation
with another aircraft.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

"Wolfgang K." >
> just being curious when reading that from over here in austria..
> are the faa really that strict and ground you for being at not a cleared
> altitude - for whatever reason?
>
No, but busting a clearance in the busy New York City airspace will draw
attention. TEB underlies NYC Class B and specifically underlies some Newark
approaches. It is very busy, congested airspace.

Otherwise, it seems ATC radar is programmed to generate an alert with a 300
foot bust. I've done a number of those. It seems that it is up to the
controller to decide what to do.

From Mr Freeman's statements, it suggests that he is either relatively
inexperienced either in IFR ops or in ops at busy airports. He talks about
looking at the approach plate and deciding to descend to the altitude for
the approach. I'm guessing that at Teterboro, one would typically be
vectored and stepped down to intercept final. But that's just a guess.

Hello,

> From Mr Freeman's statements, it suggests that he is either relatively
> inexperienced either in IFR ops or in ops at busy airports. He talks
about
> looking at the approach plate and deciding to descend to the altitude for
> the approach. I'm guessing that at Teterboro, one would typically be
> vectored and stepped down to intercept final. But that's just a guess.

IIRC he's got his PPL in 2002 and owned a Piper Arrow in 2003 (not a thing
to be used in FL210 ;-). So his IFR ticket could possibly be quite "fresh".

Regards

Kai Glaesner

I know for a fact that he got a 73 on his instrument written, taken in Olive
Branch, MS.

I was there the day he took it.


"C Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Bust your altitude and it makes the papers (or the Drudge Report, in this
> case):
>
> http://www.wokr13.tv/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=A4E8D35C-E98C-4449-
> B718-22EEF76AE40A
>
> Morgan Freeman was flying into TEB (in a turbine I presume since he says
> he
> was coming down to 3000 from FL210) and it appears he got his clearance
> confused with the approach procedure which had a step-down at 2000. I
> presume he'll be back in the air again soon after some remedial training.
>
> -cwk.
>
>

Maule Driver ) wrote:

> I'm guessing that at Teterboro, one would typically be
> vectored and stepped down to intercept final. But that's just a guess.

Not based on my experiences in a Bonanza there over the summer. If
weather allowed, Teterboro would often use the VOR/DME-A approach (which
reads like it might have been the approach in use during Freeman's'
flight).

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0412/00890VDA.PDF

NY Approach would vector aircraft to WANES at 3,000 ft, then clear the
aircraft for the approach at that point. Once cleared, obviously, the
aircraft was able to descend at the pilot's discretion upon crossing
WANES to 2,500.

When issuing the approach clearance, NY approach (again, based on
several flight into there over the summer) would often throw in an
additional requirement for smaller aircraft to cross CLIFO (the FAF) at
1,500, whereas the jet aircraft would receive the restriction to cross
CLIFO at 2,000.

--
Peter

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:59:02 -0600, "CenturyTel"
> wrote:

>I know for a fact that he got a 73 on his instrument written, taken in Olive
>Branch, MS.

Nice, that's a classy post.

"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:59:02 -0600, "CenturyTel"
> > wrote:
>
> >I know for a fact that he got a 73 on his instrument written, taken in
Olive
> >Branch, MS.
>
> Nice, that's a classy post.
>
Well said.

Guess the price of celebrity is the loss of privacy.

I wonder what are the three dimensions involved in holding altitude? Seems
like there's only one involved.

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:4iqtd.157266$5K2.123276@attbi_s03...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
> >
> >The actor explains, "I'm being censored by the FAA and they're going
> >to ground me. The hardest thing about flying is holding altitude. It's
> >a three-dimensional effort."
>
> I hope that's a transcription error and he said he was being _censured_
> by the FAA.
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/

> wrote:
> Given that any resemblance of the written to actual instrument flying
> is mere coincidence, I'd say he was probably off to a fine start.

Hell, he wasted 3 points!

"CenturyTel" > wrote in message
...
>I know for a fact that he got a 73 on his instrument written, taken in Olive Branch, MS.
>
> I was there the day he took it.

And how long ago was that?

Jeremy Lew wrote:

> I wonder what are the three dimensions involved in holding altitude? Seems
> like there's only one involved.

Plus two for geographical location. You have to be able
to control all three to stay at a legal altitude for the
airspace you are in.
CV